Managed Funds Distributions

Discussion in 'Shares & Funds' started by 24724, 10th Jul, 2006.

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  1. Simon Hampel

    Simon Hampel Founder Staff Member

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    My margin lender doesn't update account details in real time *sigh*.
     
  2. TwoDogs

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    Me and my vet thank you too !!
     
  3. Handyandy

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    Just calculated (as can't get to my official records) the total distributions for the year is 17.91c per unit (wholesale)

    Is this about the right figure?

    Certainly met my budget;)

    Cheers
     
  4. Alan__

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    Looks like the Oz Distribution has gone in but not the US yet.

    What the hell.........we'll have the pizza anyway! :D

    Anyone heard how many c/unit the US should be? I'm wondering whether to get garlic bread too? ;)
     
  5. pthm

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    Just checked the bank account this morning (Saturday) and distribution was paid yesterday. Our bank updates overnight and not live during the day. Yippee! :D :D :D
     
  6. Smartypants

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    This is my first distribution/payout as only bought into the funds recently. Very impressed.

    Wasn't aware that the two funds i.e Aust & U.S were paid seperately. Does that mean I have more to come *rubbing hands together rather greedily*?

    Alan, you can even have the gelato ice-cream too ;)
     
  7. perky

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    Right Alan, still nothing for US fund that I can see - and seeing as though half of my money is in the US fund I hope we get something !!
     
  8. Alan__

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    Most of my Funds are still in the Australian Retail so serious discussion is currently occurring as to whether we even include the Tiramisu for desert. :confused: :)

    I'm assuming that the US Fund is paid separately, in that the Oz cents/unit figures quoted on the Forum to date equate to my actual paid Distribution. I have a smaller amount in the US Fund.

    If you look at the Redemption Unit Price for Oz Retail between 30/6/06 and 3/7/06 you will see the large drop from 1.153 to 1.0975 which reflects the Distribution.

    Not sure how the US works with the time/date difference?

    Date: Redemption Price:
    29/6 1.0296
    30/6 1.0106
    3/7 1.0178
    5/7 1.0167

    Would the drop between 29/6 and 30/6 represent a Distribution payout as opposed to our 30/6 to 3/7?

    Maybe there are further delays for the US Distribution relating to currency exchange regulations or the like?
     
  9. Smartypants

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    Another quick question.

    Whilst I understand that the fund distributes profit, in the example below, can someone please explain how I am better off.

    Lets say my initial investment, we'll use $100K in this example, has grown to $105K just prior to distribution.

    After distribution, my holdings stand at approx $94K and I've been paid a distribution of just over $5K.

    Couldn't I have just taken the $5K from the original loan and pocketed it instead of investing it.

    The above figures are used as an example but the situation is similar to what I am now in.

    Am I missing something. Only thing I can think of is that the figures may be a result of fluctuations in the market.

    Is it possible to get paid a distribution and still have the original invested amount show an increase as well?

    Wasn't such a quick question, sorry
     
  10. Glebe

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    The price of your unit is directly proportional to your share of the fund's net asset value. So if you had $105k, $5k of which was earmarked for distribution, then $100k would represent the value of the other assets (a cash account and shares in various companies). Post distribution if the fund has dropped from $100k to $95k then the market must be pricing the shares differently to what they were previously. In other words it is market fluctuation.

    One thing that I don't quite understand with all the people getting excited about the fund's distribution - if they're seeking a 5% or whatever distribution to offset property costs etc couldn't they just sell 5% of their units at any time they wish? Because I don't see how it matters whether the unit price grows as a result of capital growth or trading profit.
     
  11. Simon Hampel

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    Why shoud you not sell ? Because selling units means that you miss out on future capital growth! Sure, you might invest the proceeds from your sale - but that's not the point, you're usually selling because you want to use that money for something (I'm ignoring selling for portfolio rebalance purposes).

    Scenario 1:
    You invest $10,000 at a unit price of $1.00, you get 10,000 units
    Unit price increases to $1.15, value is now $11,500.

    You sell units to take your profits, $1500 @ $1.15 = 1304.35 units sold
    You now hold 8695.65 units.

    Unit price increases to $1.20, your holdings are now worth $11,304.35 ... and you have $1,500 in realised profit.

    At the end of quarter, 15c per unit are distributed. You hold 8695.65 units = $1304.35 distribution. Unit price drops to $1.05. Your holdings are now 8695.65 units @ $1.05 = $9130.43.

    Your total investment value is $9130.43 + $1304.35 distribution + $1500 sold units = $11934.78

    Scenario 2:
    You invest $10,000 at a unit price of $1.00, you get 10,000 units

    At the end of quarter, 15c per unit are distributed. You hold 10,000 units = $1500 distribution. Unit price drops to $1.05. Your holdings are now 10,000 units @ $1.05 = $10,500.

    Your total investment value is $10,500 + $1500 distribution = $12,000

    Result:
    You've missed out on future growth by selling early!!!

    It's much better to extract a portion of your investment growth by accessing equity through a margin loan. You'll only get up to around 70% of the growth (depending on your LVR), but you sacrifice less of your future growth, and save on tax too!!
     
  12. Simon Hampel

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