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Salary Packaging Rental Expenses

Discussion in 'Accounting, Tax & Legal' started by Simon Hampel, 22nd Sep, 2005.

  1. Simon Hampel

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  2. Tropo

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    Hi Nick,

    Two questions:

    1. To be able to do the Salary Packaging does it matter that an individual is employed permanently, on contract or self employed?

    2. From your experience what method gives higher tax benefits, IP in one spouse's name or salary packaging, or they are about the same?

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    Just FYI - Nick is on holidays at the moment, but he did say he was taking his laptop with him, so might have a chance to log on and answer some questions. I can't remember when he said he'd be back.
     
  4. NickM

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    Hi Troppo
    1. doesnt matter as long it is documented in your salary agreement. Important to note that it should be documented BEFORE the transactions occur not after.
    If you are self employed then you do not receive a salary. - sole trader

    2. Depends on the numbers. Happy to look at an example for you

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    Thanks Nick.

    Let's assume one spouse's income is $95,500, rental income $17,000 and expenses $31,000 and second spouse's income around $5,999 a year.

    I do not have an IP as yet, just looking at the possibilities, and above numbers are what I think might be.

    Would it be possible for anybody to knock up a simple spreadsheet to calculate "Net disposable income without and with salary packaging rental expenses" for everybody to use without asking Nick all the time?

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    Tropo
    i have looked into a standard template before but I think that there are too many variables.

    The first port of call is your employer to see if they will do it.

    If they are willing to participate then I can help guide you with the numbers.

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    Salary Sacrifice of Rental Expenses

    Hello Nick/Sim
    When using the salary sacrifice of rental expenses strategy, does the property have to be jointly owned as joint tenants? If a husband sells 1/2 of his fully owned rental property to his wife so they now own 50% each, can they use this strategy?

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  9. Rob G.

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    This brings up the national Australia Bank case in the other thread on joint loans.

    Sounds like a reasonable argument, but might depend on your exact arrangement if the Commissioner is unhappy.

    However, with domestic relationships and where both meet some expenses the Commissioner might presume joint ownership of property, especially if both names are on the mortgage - so get some advice before moving money around.

    Cheers,

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    All that is necessary is for the high income earner to at least own part of the property ie 1% if owned jointly then it is automatically 50% but can still sacrifice

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    Answers:
    1) It will not work for a sole trader because they are not an employee. It should work if you contract through your own company or trust though this opens the arrangement up to possible Part IVA ie entered into the contracting arrangement to get this tax benefit. You see there is nothing wrong with entering into a salary package arrangement for a tax benefit it is setting up the company or trust that could catch you out. Permanent or temporary employees can do it if their employer agrees just make sure you enter into the arrangement before you earn the money you are sacrificing
    2) Salary packaging will always give you a better outcome. The benefit is only marginal if both spouses are in the same tax bracket in that the only benefit is that Centrelink won't be adding back rental property losses and your employer will be able to get the GST back some of the rental property expenses. If spouses are in different tax brackets it has always got to give a better result because some of the income will go to the low income spouse (assuming this is greater than their share of depreciation) but all of the cash flow expenses come off the high income earners wage.

    Nick,
    Sounds like you could benefit from reading my kit. I have a generic version that I sell to Accountants for them to onsell.

    Julia
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    Hi Julia,

    Some of this stuff is very out of date, when will you be updating them?

    http://www.bantacs.com.au/booklets/Wage_Earners_Booklet.pdf

    Talks about tax deductible contributions to super being $3,000 and then 75%, it's now all 100% up to $50,000 for under 50s and 100% up to $100,000 for over 50s.

    Also the government co-contribution goes up to $58,980 and pays $1.50 for each $1, not $1 for $1.

    Cheers,

    Dan
     
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    Hi Julia, I don't think Nick will need your kit. Everything seems to be working just fine ...:D

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  14. NickM

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    Thanks for the offer Julia, but this is one reason why i only rely on my own research or on those people who are well respected in the industry as leaders in their respective fields.
    Nickm
     
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    Dan,

    It will be quiet a while before those booklets will be updated again but we update all our registered readers by providing them a newletter twice a month. This is also free to anyone.
    Very busy at the moment finishing off a book on tax and Rental properties that should be out in April.

    Nick,
    If you are so well researched why couldn't you give better answers above. Just how much do you want to charge someone to calculate whether salary sacrifice will be helpful to them?
    There is also a calculator on my web site that's free too.

    Julia
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  16. NickM

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    i dont recall mentioning anything about charging. if you read the post you will see that i asked the most important question first.

    Will the employer allow the employee to do it ?

    Unlike others :rolleyes: I dont use every post as an opportunity to sell out of date material.

    I trust your calculator is based on current tax rates and is up to date.

    NickM